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Legitimate Interruptions: Gendered Precedents and the Third Presidential Debate

11/2/2016

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by Hayden Kesterson
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According to figures from the Center for American Women in Politics, women make up only 19.4% of the current US Congress and only four women ever have been Supreme Court justices, including the three currently presiding (“Current Numbers,” 2016). Considering that an estimated 50.8% of the United States’ population is women (“Quick Facts,” (n.d.)), these are startling statistics. The exclusion of women from public office does not only play out on grand, statistically measurable scales, however. It can be traced to specific instances of sexism enacted along different levels of interaction in public settings.

The current US presidential election between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump is an important milestone for women in politics, and, as such, is a visible arena for how such specific instances play out and contribute to the historical exclusion of women. An examination of an excerpt of their final debate informed by Fairclough (2014) shows how Trump’s use of language toward Clinton works to establish precedents that further marginalize women from the political sphere.
(1) Clinton: So he goes around with crocodile tears about how terrible it is, (pointing at podium to
(2)                  punctuate utterances) but he has-
(3) Wallace: -let’s-
(4) Clinton: given jobs to Chinese steelworkers, not American steelworkers.
(5) Wallace: -Mr. Trump-
(6) Clinton: That’s the kind of approach
(7) Trump: -Well, let me just say, let me just say-
(8) C: that is just not going to work.
(9) T: -it just-
(10) C: (speaking quicker) We’re gonna’ pull the country together. We’re gonna’ have trade
(11)    agreements that we enforce, that’s why I’m going to have a trade prosecutor for the first (12) time in          
              history. And we’re going to enforce those agreements and we’re going ta
(13) W: -Sec-
(14) C: look for businesses, uh,
(15) W: -Secretary Clinton-
(16) C: to help us by buying American products.
(17) W: (incomprehensible) Mr. Trump.
(18) T: I ask a simple question: she’s been doin’ this for thirty years – (turning to face Clinton) (19) why the hell
             didn’t you do it over the last – fifteen, twenty years?
(20) C: -you know-
(21) T: (turning slightly away from Clinton) you were
(22) C: -I voted-
(23) T: (facing audience) very much involved –– excuse me – my turn… You were very much (24) involved in
              every aspect of this country…  

The transcript above is full of interruptions on the part of Wallace (the moderator), Trump, and Clinton: lines 3, 5, 7, 9, 13, 15, 20, and 22 are each examples of someone talking over another person. At first, Clinton is speaking, responding to Trump’s claims about her husband’s international trade negotiations and countering with Trump’s own history as a businessman (New York Times, 2016). The moderator at line 3 and 5 can be seen trying to end Clinton’s turn and prompt Trump to speak. Lines 7 and 9 are Trump’s response to this prompting, which hastens Clinton, as evidenced by her quicker delivery and shortening of “going to” to “gonna” and “going ta” in lines 10-12, to finish her point, which she does after additional interruptions from the moderator in lines 13 and 15. The moderator in 17 gives the stage over to Trump, who begins with “a simple question” (18), which he directs to Clinton by turning his body toward her (line 18) and using second person pronouns (19). This direct questioning prompts Clinton to interrupt Trump in lines 20 and 22. At the climax of the transcript Trump emphatically reprimands Clinton’s interruption – “excuse me – my turn” (line 23) – before continuing to speak.

What immediately stands out about this exchange is how each candidate deals with being interrupted. Clinton rushes to complete her thought, while Trump stops his speech to silence his opponent. Trump’s reprimanding of Clinton here delegitimizes her as a candidate and furthers the trends that lead to such small representation of women in US politics. As Fairclough (2014) puts forward, language and society have “an internal and dialectical relationship” (p. 56); in other words, societal trends and expectations shape language use, but language use also shapes these same societal trends and expectations. What is of interest here is not so much how gender fits into the first part of this dialectic and how it played out at the debate – though examining the sexism and sexist expectations of each candidate would be a meaningful project – but, rather, how gender in politics will be impacted by the dialectic’s second aspect.

Even if Trump’s outburst is merely the result of individualized hypocrisy on his part, or his feeling that his interruptions in the exchange were valid because they were prompted by the moderator (line 5), to imply that Clinton is either unaware of how debates are organized or is purposefully going against their rules holds many more implications than mere annoyance at being interrupted. It is one thing to be upset with Clinton’s interruptions, but to speak down to a candidate who, in the same breath one admits has been “very much involved with every aspect of this country” for thirty years, is to be particularly condescending. Obviously, I do not expect Trump to build his opponent up, but considering that language use provides precedents for future language use, how underrepresented women are in politics as a whole, and the fact that Clinton is the first ever female candidate for president from a major political party, to be so openly condescending is to set precedents of language use toward female candidates that will hurt their chances of winning and lead to the further underrepresentation of women in public office.

I do not want to imply that in one condescending utterance Donald Trump somehow entirely doomed how women will be viewed in the political sphere, merely that one outburst in such a public scenario helps keep in motion sexist social stigmas and notions of gender roles that, as long as they are prominent, will keep women from political success. Even non-overtly sexist language is sexist if it is used by an individual representing a historically privileged group to demean the political career and legitimacy of someone not benefiting from the same privilege. Language shapes society, and Trump’s language is no different. As he and other men involved in politics (candidates, pundits, analysts, et cetera) continue to casually call into question the validity of women’s knowledge of political discourse (in this case the debate), even if they don’t realize it, they are acting within and to further precedents that bar women from politics and ensure their underrepresentation in public office.
 
 
Works Cited
  • “Current Numbers,” (2016) Retrieved from http://www.cawp.rutgers.edu.
  • Fairclough, Norman (2014). Discourse as Social Practice. Language and Power (pp. 51-72). New York, NY: Longman.
  • “Quick Facts,” (n.d.) Retrieved from http://www.census.gov.
  • [The New York Times]. (2016, October 19). Final 2016 Presidential Debate (Full) | The New York Times. [Video File]. Retrieved from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_pEb1bDN-w


Hayden is a student in the introductory sociolinguistics course at Swarthmore College.
3 Comments
Melanie
11/4/2016 09:23:33 pm

I think this is a really effective analysis of language and gender!! After reading, I'm left thinking more critically about what it means to take up space in the context of gender, particularly through language. I found the specific instances you highlighted and your analyses of those instances to be very well thought-out and clear--I was especially struck by the linguistic analysis of Clinton's shortening of the phrase "going to" to "gonna"!!
I think in general it can be really difficult to construct a compelling case for such seemingly trivial moments in any interaction, but your response to this issue in the debate does a great job of making sense of smaller moments and connecting them to much broader concepts that are accessible to readers who aren't necessarily linguists. Still acknowledging counterarguments ("individualized hypocrisy"), you draw meaningful connections to larger social contexts of underrepresentation, invalidation of women in political discourse, sexism, etc. Most importantly, it leaves me questioning the ways in which I personally claim space through language or have experienced being denied space by others, and how language use overtly and/or covertly indexes gendered power.

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Natalie
11/8/2016 01:50:05 am

You did a great job at analyzing how gender has influenced the interactional regime of this debate. I thought it was really interesting that you began with facts and statistics regarding women in politics. For me, this established a context for understanding of the importance of your argument. I think that the scene you chose was ideal for contrasting how the two candidates responded to interruptions. You were also really effective in connecting your argument to political and global spheres beyond that of the debate. I really liked how you said "even non-overtly sexist language is sexist" because it highlighted how subtly social contexts can influence language, even if one is not intentionally using language to express ideas on social issues.

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Will Marchese
11/8/2016 02:37:25 am

Hayden, this is a really excellent analysis of the larger implications of Trump’s sexist talk. I especially appreciate your points on underrepresentation of women—a lesser access to political and social capital for women—and the Clinton’s use of the informal ’gonna’ to fit in her points, showing she values content over super standard American English.

This got me thinking about gender and what “the female candidate” really is. Can we, for example, really separate gender and race? How might female candidates of color experience Trump’s interruptions differently from white women? Furthermore, is it Hillary’s gender identity as a cis woman or her femininity (or both) that Trump responds to? The implications of this are great: Would a feminine, but male-identifying person receive similar vitriol? A more masculine, butch woman? What will the first non-binary candidate for office experience—has the social script even been written yet?

Well done. Super intriguing piece.

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